What about the people who have done horrible things? Like the Genghis Kahn’s, or the Hitler’s? Maybe even just regular people in any given city who might be abusing children or beating their spouses; are they all part of the grand plan? I mean there have been, and still are some unbelievably screwed up people in this world, and it’s hard to see how the misery they inflict is meant to teach the rest of us something about being better souls.
“I was wondering when you might get to this question, Thomas. This is another concept that is difficult for the earthbound to understand fully. Not because you lack the ability to understand it, but because of your social and mental paradigm surrounding what you call evil. If I tell you that the concept of evil is a human construction, I can imagine that somewhere in your mind you are disagreeing with me strongly. Human societies, throughout time have embraced the idea of evil, and its effects on people. The idea has been around so long that most cannot easily accept that it is a human construction.”
Okay, I’ve got to admit, you’re right about me thinking that what you’re saying is wrong. I mean, how can there not be evil? We see it all the time, in the news, in history, and even in our own lives on occasion. There are just plain evil people out there; I just don’t see how you can say there’s not.
“Let me see if I can explain it differently for you. Beginning with the word Evil; that is the social construction I am speaking of. To label someone as evil is only saying that whatever deed they have done goes so far against current social morals and laws – that you basically have no other term for them. Think of it as labeling them as someone who will not conform to the laws and values of your society. Even humanity’s most grievous offence, murder, can be seen as perpetrated by someone who does not value the life of another. The term evil is a catch-all label for those persons who have done the most egregious acts against others.”
So, you’re saying that I’m too hung up on the term ‘evil’? Okay, I can accept that. I can see how it’s a label for people who’ve done the worst stuff, but even with no label, they’ve still done awful things to other people. I mean, taking someone’s life, or the lives of people you know or care about, is still really messed-up! Removing all the labels from their actions doesn’t change what they’ve done, Omen. Some really bad people deserve to pay a price for what they’ve done.
“I am not simply asking you to forget the terms you use for those people, Thomas. I am attempting to get you to see that those are real people who chose to defy what the rest of a society has decided are the most important values and principles to be followed. They made very bad choices, and perhaps in some cases should be isolated from the society they lived in, but so many of your punishments are simply socially sanctioned revenge, Thomas.”
“Perhaps if you consider the term ‘wrong’ as an example; since it implies that there is a ‘correct’ that balances it. To be wrong indicates that there is a right way to be, to do something wrong implies that there is a right way to do it. One might say that it is wrong to murder another human being, therefore to be right is to never murder another. Are you with me so far?”
Yeah, I get it, go on.
“Can you imagine a society forming where murdering someone is not seen as wrong? Perhaps even seen as an honorable act?”
Hmm, I don’t know Omen, that’s a tough one. I’d like to think that even primitive people just knew that killing another person without just-cause is wrong.
“Then it will surprise you to learn that there have been several societies in human history where killing someone was not always wrong. Even those who were friends, or family members, still could be killed in what was seen as an honorable fashion. In many cases the person committing the murder would actually inherit the reputation of the victim they had slain. Was it still murder in those societies? Even more recently in your own society the concept of an honorable duel was an approved method for settling certain social transgressions. Was it still a moral offense in a social system where it was approved of? My questions are rhetorical of course, and aimed to help you see this issue in a different light. Simply to allow you to think about how your own idea of what is wrong or immoral is a product of the society you were raised in.”
I don’t know about that Omen, I mean, taking someone’s life under any circumstance seems pretty immoral to me. Unless they’re trying to kill me, for no apparent reason – which then would be self-defense, I don’t think we should kill people.
“What if a murderous person was attempting to kill your child, or your spouse? Would you kill them?”
Well, yeah, I probably would, but I’d blame a lack of emotional control in those cases. I think protecting someone you really love is a special circumstance.
“Therefore you can now see that even in the modern and evolved society that you were raised in; there are still circumstances that allow for the taking of another’s life. There exist situations where killing someone is not against your laws, not even morally wrong.”
Yeah, I guess so.
“I now believe that you will be further surprised to know that here, in what you call the afterlife, there is no wrong at all. There are no mistakes, no misdeeds, no crimes, and no immorality. Every choice that a soul makes is part of their growth process, but no matter what, there simply is no wrong.”
So a soul can do whatever the hell they want to and they never get in any trouble?
“In only the most generous manner of speaking, Thomas. Perhaps if I illustrate it in a different manner it will become easier to understand. Think about raising a human infant; now think about what types of things they do that are just wrong. What sorts of trouble would a baby get into?”
None, really. Babies don’t do things wrong, or immoral – ever.
“Yet, is it possible that a baby would not nurse correctly? Can they refuse to eat the food offered to them? Do they ever crawl off to places you would rather they had not gone to? These are all things that a parent might wish would never happen, but they do happen. Yet the parent typically does not punish the infant for such infractions. Please understand that I am not saying that souls, at whatever stage of development they might be at, are directly comparable to infants. Just a similar mindset when it comes to how their digressions are seen.”
So then, the souls living on earth now, if they choose to do terrible things in their lifetimes, they’re not punished in the afterlife?
“No Thomas, they are not punished. The concept of a retribution filled afterlife is another human creation, or folklore. Remember, it is all about learning, growing, fulfilling a soul-destiny that is set before us by the True Love. What point would there be in an eternal punishment for a soul that had been judged as evil? How would that ever make them a better soul? Rather, we have a system set in place for an extensive review of the life of the soul in question, to enlighten and educate. The process can be quite long depending upon the quantity of behaviors to be reviewed.”
So, you’re telling me that a guy like Hitler dies and just gets a peer review of his life? A bunch of academics standing around telling him how he could have made better choices? That’s just bullshit in my opinion, Omen.
“I am truly surprised by your reaction Thomas, I was not expecting this level of aggression in you. Please tell me what it is that makes you feel this kind of anger.”
It’s just unfair, that’s pretty much it. I mean a guy is responsible for the deaths of literally millions of people, and he’s going to get a good talking-to in the afterlife, that’s just awesome.
“Can you go a bit deeper Thomas? What is causing the vehement anger in you over this concept?”
Omen, most societies on this planet have some form of punishment for people who break laws, especially the ones that murder other people. I guess the thought of a guy like Hitler, who killed himself before he could be captured and punished; well it just makes me mad to think that nothing bad happens to him after that. It’s almost like he gets away with it since there’s no suffering for him, even though he caused massive suffering in others.
“I see, please allow me to delve further into this; if a convicted murderer eventually gets the death penalty, your ultimate punishment, does that make what happens here in the afterlife feel better for you?”
No! I mean, not really, I guess. I think some guys deserve both things – the death penalty here, and everlasting misery there too.
“By your thinking then, a person who murders others, is caught, tried and convicted, then served with the death penalty should also suffer in their afterlife as well? Yet, given that construct, in what way would that soul ever become more enlightened? How would it ever get closer to the Pure Love if they are sequestered in some dark place forever?”
I don’t know, Omen. I guess I haven’t really thought the whole thing through. It’s just that some people are actually evil, in my book anyway. Those kind of people who do heinous things and seem to have no remorse about it. I guess I’d just feel a hell of a lot better if I knew they were going to be drowning in molten lava for the rest of eternity.
“So, here we are back at retribution and revenge, Thomas. The ancient human construct of an ‘eye for an eye’ is where socially sanctioned revenge may have first begun. Much like what is called group-think, the notion was that if an entire social group believed that a murderer should themselves be murdered, to punish them, then it was a good idea. Quite simplistic, yet an effective justification for a revenge killing disguised as a legal punishment. But, when asked at some point after the execution has taken place, many people close to the original crime victim do not report ‘feeling better’ because of it. It seems that killing the killer brings very little comfort to the grieving.”
Ugh, this is hurting my brain Omen, I’m trying hard to get what you’re saying, but it’s hard for me. I understand that killing a killer doesn’t make a family ‘all better’ because of it, but at least one killer will never wander the streets again. I know you’re going to say that putting them in prison for the rest of their lives does the same thing, and that’s right, but… Damn, I do get it now.
We tell ourselves that we’ll all feel better by executing a really bad criminal, because we’re making sure they can’t ever do it again. But, there’s more to it than that, somehow we want them dead – locked away forever doesn’t seem like ‘enough punishment’ to most of us. We actually desire them to suffer the ultimate punishment, depriving them of life itself. Revenge… It’s just revenge, like you said.
“I am pleased you are beginning to see it differently Thomas, you are far to evolved of a soul to remain hindered by social conventions. I appreciate your willingness to wrestle with new concepts that you find difficult and challenging to your current thinking.”
Thanks, I’m still processing everything though, but I can see how it is probably a much higher and more evolved way of thinking you guys have there. I mean, I can admit that it’s a lot better idea to work with a soul to get them to see how their choices affected other people. To be able to ‘bring them around’ so to speak is great. You end up with a good soul who can go on to live better lives, and maybe even help humanity the next time around. That’s a pretty good goal you have there.
“We are all on a path emulate the True Love, Thomas. There is either stagnation, or there is growth, but there is no regression.”
So, there’s hope for everybody then, right? No matter how bad they were in one life, they can be educated and possibly have a better one next time?
“Yes, and it has been that way for a very long time. In fact, you might be interested to know something more about this process. Allow me to give you a glimpse of hopeful future. There are some amazing places where you will eventually live out a life in your future progression. One in particular that I am thinking of is a place where there is no ‘crime’ at all. It is an entire planet of beings that do not ever transgress. No crime, no murders, no abuses of any kind. They all live out their lives in a peaceful and purposeful environment. If you can, picture beings with no egos, no reason for conflict, and no motivation to ever harm another. They view every single other being as their exact equal, fully deserving of respect. I imagine that you will truly be amazed by it someday, Thomas.”